From: "Ed Rutherford" EdR@SoCA.com

To: gaysforjesus@juno.com  (currently gays4jesus@yahoo.com)

Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:10:32

Subject: Gay Bashing 

Friend:

 I am sorry.. I couldn't find your name.  I apologize for the gay bashing and other unchristian behavior you have suffered. I am an Assemblies of God Pastor and I, too, have read and study the Bible.

 ^i^ That's good to hear. I am very familiar with AOG I know what is taught concerning gays and what is not taught concerning facts. I really hope by the time I finish reading your e-mail you are not going to turn out to be just the same old gay basher you claim to be apologizing for. I am in no way trying to jump on you, but forgive me if I appear to. Please, try to be respectful of my experience. I personally have talked with many hundreds of thousands of people as a result of answering my phones during my TV programs the first 3 years of being on air. I have been on now for over 12 years. I have also talked to many thousands on the internet in Christian chat rooms. I have a wide variety of experience of around 5 years in the care giving services. Assemblies of God churches all around the Western USA I have been called out and prophesied over by their pastors and special guest speakers, beside the many camp meetings and several years visiting the Navaho Indian church meetings being called out as well. TBN ministers leaders have also called me out to give a WORD from God to me. Here in the NW I led a gay man to the Lord which blessed his father deeply who was a missionary and held Bible study prayer meeting in his home of Pentecostal type pastors of the AOG and off shoots. They knew I was gay and all during that time did operate in such gift over me. Everyone through out my 23 years gave extremely positive Words from God detailing my ministry which would unfold. Much has come to pass and much still is to come. God has brought people to me at times after I have prayed to give me confirmation as to my ministry. Very unique ways got brought the word to me that I am doing His will. I have been dramatically healed 3 times when I called on God through Jesus, 2 of which I may have died if not gotten help soon. When I call on Jesus less than a second later he responds with his unique greeting to me almost with out fail. I have prayed for an AOG pastor and the ex-gay leader visiting his church to speak on ex-gays. That pastor (Queen Anne AOG) looked to do me physical harm during a break. The ex-gay leader non-stopped asking me about anal intercourse. I alone swamped by their threat did what I pre-arranged with God and that is begin praying in tongues. Both were drawn into my arms so I could hug them in love and pray in tongues. The Pastor immediately changed and from then on gave me respect even inviting me back to finish my program on ex-gay ministries. I could tell you of several AOG pastors in the area with different behaviors towards me and the results which were far from Godly for an AOG pastor. Remember I have jumped from the frying pan into the fire and so have stood in direct attacks from those that call themselves ministers of GOD and Christians. I know as I read your comments you will 90% or more select to use the Word against gays. You would never concern yourself with alarming facts. I am a 23 year Christian with a testimony. The darkest walk I took was to be told that if I preach Jesus the Christ I would be sent to prison, but I could teach Jesus the teacher and good person. This here in the USA by a person with the authority to do so. That same night God sent a AOG offshoot pastor to tell me one day I would have authority over such a person. His church prayed asking God what should they do for me, they gave me my 1st HEBREW GREEK the Strongs which is undeniably AOG flag ship. What I knew to be true now was opened up in the originals. I have read many books and at times lived in Christian book stores searching for the answers concerning the teaching of the Church on gays. I did this for myself, I knew that gay was not sin and that GOD is truth so they would match up. I totally do not condone some that can't be back by the Bible. And because even you say the Bible says, I tell you the Bible does not say that. More of my experience, you may think many pastors are good counselors on sex. I strongly doubt it. There is only one school that teaches about sex concerning sin and that is the one the Holy Spirit takes you through. Those that think they know a thing or have no idea at all except to drive people away from Jesus or set their lives to live in guilt. That is a grievous sin. The Holy Spirit school I call the bucket full of holes. We spend a lifetimes plugging holes in the bucket so we can then operate the spicket to control the water flow. But to often someone comes around with a shotgun and shoots more holes in it. When you figure it out you are on the way to preach and counsel on sex. God has put me face to face with straights and gays concerning sexual behaviors and attitudes. I have watch many people grow through many things. I have learn most of our sexual problems is Church generated. Very few in the Church as ministers care much about letting God shape his babies. The Church has a set of rules which they think is Bible based forgetting the letter killest they teach the letter. I am generalizing here due to time and space. I know as I read you mean well because what information do you have to go on except the 700 year old Church anti-gay doctrine. There are tons of information available to you, but no doubt forgive my assuming that is biased towards gays. Which is the most stupid belief one can have. Straights (not all) are biased against gays from the get go. While gays are different. They come to God. Hey, saved, just like you. They love God and Jesus Christ too and no less that you. Why do you think when they study and search the Word they look for how they might justify their life? They came to truth "Jesus Christ" whom they seek with all of their hearts and everything. They see how the Church condemns them and must seek out the truth on this matter because there is a fact, they are gay. And so great study is undertaking and consistently and independently they find gay is not sin. This also happens with parents of gays they are told by pastor Johnny going to hell unless he becomes straight. So these straight parents begin their own study and what do they find, gay is not sin. Concerning ex-gay ministries. I have really looked into this many times and studied the research of those that have spent decades in follow-up research on those that claim to be ex-gays. I personally talked to several ex-gay leaders and ex-ex-gay leaders. I have the testimony of the founders of Exodus International which most ex-gay ministries list them selves with. I knew personally a AOG woman who devoted 25 years of her life to the gay issues and has written several books concerning the Bible on gays and one of the book is on ex-gays as she worked in San Francisco ex-gay ministry and left it for a year because she saw it wasn't right what was being done to these people and saw such outright lies trying to prove gay sin and get people delivered . She knew 100 of its clients. After that year she return to find every one of those she knew were gone. She found everyone of them and saw that none stayed straight and most were the better Christians for it. I can go into lots of details especially concerning AOG's supported L.I.F.E. ex-gay ministry which was the one that visited Queen Anne AOG mention earlier. I have not talked much concerning my person WALK with Jesus. I guarantee you if you truly feel that you are a Christian I will pass any WALK test that can not be undone. It would take a very long time to run out of things that are so neat. He has taken me to lowest valleys and the highest mountains and never took his presence away from me. He has kept me with a peace that passeth understanding. I have been as you say bashed so many times, daily on the internet, life has been threaten by the Aryan nation, been told I know to much about the Last Days and will be killed and yet I have peace and can turn around and love my lover with peace I carry full forgiveness to all that have as you say bashed me and I can demonstrate it in confidence. I am willing to lay my life down for you and most likely will. Jesus is my everything the only one with the Words of that give life. I love him and very close to him, he is so precious to me, so sweet, so tender, so patient. He also place a picture in front of my face which I am to tell the Church. It never leaves my sight. The Church for the most part is far from ready to meet the Lord and Jesus is about to sew out the wedding gowns for God's people.

This will not be a pleasant thing for the Church it has grown fat and parties way to much so much exercise is needed so it will fit, sorry no fat Christians in heaven (not fat as in pounds). 3.5 billion people will die b4 the rapture (AOG thinks none of these 3.5 billion will die b4 they are taken up) The Trib's 1st 1260 days are designed to get the wedding gowns on the bride. It is so simple, yet AOG and most try so hard to miss the whole point of the Trib. Even the Last 1/2 is for the Church that did not make it that 75 day window for the Rapture. satan's gang is taken care of in one day of the TRIB. The rest is designed to prepare the Church for eternity. The Church will be so shocked that so many will think Jesus lied in the Bible and so turn from him. You may think I am crazy that is ok, remember I have gone to so many AOG prophesy meetings for a 10 years without missing any that came around. I was very pre-Trib till God opened up a Chapter that He gave me almost at the beginning of my walk with him. Finally it flooded open in 1985 in June. And more info and facts and Bible and all began coming together and still is. Anti-Christ's kingdom was in the planning stages by man since the FLOOD. One group traces their beginnings to the FLOOD and has as detailed history which nearly took over the world a number of times. recently George Washington stopped them forcing them to start over. They never stop they just regroup.

TODAY it won't be stopped they learned their lessons to well in history and has got it down. They are very entrenched in the Church one resource says in the Southern Baptist there are 4 -5 hundred thousand of which many are at the very high levels which means they are direct instruments of one of their goals to infiltrate the Church and ever so slightly modify its doctrines and teaching especially in Sunday schools. Well, fact, they have been doing this for 80 years in the USA. They will have succeeded considerably to radically confuse many in the Church come that DAY. If you doubt what I am say please do some research. The group is know as Masons. They have used many names, but never stopped being Masons. One of its power arms is called the Counsel on Foreign Relations. Many of the big names in the new media are members and across the board of influential organizations. Europe is where most of its roots are. Their goal is to have a re-birth of the Days of Noah. They also believe those day where the days of Atlantis and that for many hundreds of years had written plans that would have that re-birth in the new world America. Sir Francis Bacon wrote such a plan. Tell me have you heard AOG research into details of anti-Christ's coming kingdom? You see it can not ever be a new thing that happened to develop in our life time. Jesus didn't develop the Bible to be for one generation but shows the entire history of mankind and so satan's will also have a detailed history that is extremely detailed. All these loony tunes groups new age, gurus and secret societies and secret gov't are not fragmented not related groups that some how satan manipulates to join together at the last days. No way, it is by distinct applications of man through the secret society of Masons. The 1st 3 degree appear very Christian in the USA but the 2 divisions of Mason are worshipping Lucifer as never fallen and satanism. York rites is Luciferism and Scottish right is satanism. They have a very detailed history relating to this. Recently they united at the highest levels.

One example of the highest publicly known level is 33rd degree mason one of which is Jack Kemp, this level actually know most the details of the coming one world Gov't. Clinton was recently promoted to Builderbergs. He is already a member of Tri-Latteral Commission and CFR, George Bush (daddy) is one of the long term Builderberg leaders. David Rockefeller is at the TOP as Chairman. These people who will bring the world to one world gov't , which by the way some 200 world leader have met with a Lord Maitreya and the 10 regional heads and Vatican representatives and many Protestant leaders to discuss how they can make public Lord Maitreya as world leader. Technology is going to be used to make him seem very much like GOD. Their time plan not mine is if they can't succeed this time by 2012 then they will gather together in underground bases then destroy life on the surface. There most hate enemy is the really true believers, atheists, and Torah Jews. They intend to kill them if they can not be converted to their way. This is not from the Bible, but from history and present day facts. It just goes along with the Bible because the Bible tell Christians what is going to happen, but most Christian don't believe GOD. Why is their a Lev. 26. I tell you we are in the 4th level of that chapter. The story about the 2 witnesses is detailed within the Bible a hidden story within the verses describing the lives of each of them. Almost a book within a book, and why not they are intimately described in Zech. They are alive a waiting their ministry. They are not Moses or Elijah though these 2 are symbolic ministries of the 2 witnesses.

The 1s acts of the 2 is to stop the rain, this is Spiritual rain. Today all Christian are watered with the Holy Spirit. Never in the last 2000 years has Christians gone without outside watering. You would tell me you have deep roots in Jesus. You should have that is one reason for the Holy Spirit to help us sink our roots deep into Jesus for the coming drought. Well here is a secret. deep and shallow has know real feeling of difference physically or mentally or Spiritually. For the Holy Spirit does not speak of himself but of Jesus. Christian are to get ready for the DAY that the water will be shut off. Dan 1260 days for breaking the power of God's people. You need to have your roots deep into Jesus to survive those days. So when they come, not only does the Masons have a plan to confuse the elect there will be no water and this will shock many. We are told to believe Jesus. He said through the apostles and himself and the OT any every where to persevere, to hold fast, to standfast. Why, if we get saved it is a piece of cake to make it to the Rapture? No, because a Day will come when we must believe GOD, but we don't believe him, we think it is party time till he comes. We sing praises to his coming, but soon He will say He is punishing you for your ancestors sins and you will say why and he will say why do you care if I say I punish you for the past Church, your sins are worse. Yes, the Church needs this last lesson of love while Jesus answer all the Prayers of those persecuted by the Church over the last 2000 years. I have given you a short introduction that leaves out much of my walk, later I will answer you e-mail step by step take care.