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A, gays, ex-gays, Christian.. I apologize for the gay bashing and other unchristian behavior you have suffered. I am an Assemblies of God Pastor and I, too, have read and study the Bible
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From: "Ed Rutherford
(part 1 of 3)
Gay Bashing
From: "Ed Rutherford" EdR@SoCA.com
To: gaysforjesus@juno.com (currently gays4jesus@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:10:32
Subject: Gay Bashing
Friend:
I am sorry.. I couldn't find your name. I apologize for the gay bashing and other unchristian behavior you have suffered. I am an Assemblies of God Pastor and I, too, have read and study the Bible.
^i^ That's good to hear. I am very familiar with AOG I know
what is taught concerning gays and what is not taught concerning facts. I really
hope by the time I finish reading your e-mail you are not going to turn out to
be just the same old gay basher you claim to be apologizing for. I am in no way
trying to jump on you, but forgive me if I appear to. Please, try to be
respectful of my experience. I personally have talked with many hundreds of
thousands of people as a result of answering my phones during my TV programs the
first 3 years of being on air. I have been on now for over 12 years. I have also
talked to many thousands on the internet in Christian chat rooms. I have a wide
variety of experience of around 5 years in the care giving services. Assemblies
of God churches all around the Western USA I have been called out and prophesied
over by their pastors and special guest speakers, beside the many camp meetings
and several years visiting the Navaho Indian church meetings being called out as
well. TBN ministers leaders have also called me out to give a WORD from God to
me. Here in the NW I led a gay man to the Lord which blessed his father deeply
who was a missionary and held Bible study prayer meeting in his home of
Pentecostal type pastors of the AOG and off shoots. They knew I was gay and all
during that time did operate in such gift over me. Everyone through out my 23
years gave extremely positive Words from God detailing my ministry which would
unfold. Much has come to pass and much still is to come. God has brought people
to me at times after I have prayed to give me confirmation as to my ministry.
Very unique ways got brought the word to me that I am doing His will. I have
been dramatically healed 3 times when I called on God through Jesus, 2 of which
I may have died if not gotten help soon. When I call on Jesus less than a second
later he responds with his unique greeting to me almost with out fail. I have
prayed for an AOG pastor and the ex-gay leader visiting his church to speak on
ex-gays. That pastor (Queen Anne AOG) looked to do me physical harm during a
break. The ex-gay leader non-stopped asking me about anal intercourse. I alone
swamped by their threat did what I pre-arranged with God and that is begin
praying in tongues. Both were drawn into my arms so I could hug them in love and
pray in tongues. The Pastor immediately changed and from then on gave me respect
even inviting me back to finish my program on ex-gay ministries. I could tell
you of several AOG pastors in the area with different behaviors towards me and
the results which were far from Godly for an AOG pastor. Remember I have jumped
from the frying pan into the fire and so have stood in direct attacks from those
that call themselves ministers of GOD and Christians. I know as I read your
comments you will 90% or more select to use the Word against gays. You would
never concern yourself with alarming facts. I am a 23 year Christian with a
testimony. The darkest walk I took was to be told that if I preach Jesus the
Christ I would be sent to prison, but I could teach Jesus the teacher and good
person. This here in the USA by a person with the authority to do so. That same
night God sent a AOG offshoot pastor to tell me one day I would have authority
over such a person. His church prayed asking God what should they do for me,
they gave me my 1st HEBREW GREEK the Strongs which is undeniably AOG flag ship.
What I knew to be true now was opened up in the originals. I have read many
books and at times lived in Christian book stores searching for the answers
concerning the teaching of the Church on gays. I did this for myself, I knew
that gay was not sin and that GOD is truth so they would match up. I totally do
not condone some that can't be back by the Bible. And because even you say the
Bible says, I tell you the Bible does not say that. More of my experience, you
may think many pastors are good counselors on sex. I strongly doubt it. There is
only one school that teaches about sex concerning sin and that is the one the
Holy Spirit takes you through. Those that think they know a thing or have no
idea at all except to drive people away from Jesus or set their lives to live in
guilt. That is a grievous sin. The Holy Spirit school I call the bucket full of
holes. We spend a lifetimes plugging holes in the bucket so we can then operate
the spicket to control the water flow. But to often someone comes around with a
shotgun and shoots more holes in it. When you figure it out you are on the way
to preach and counsel on sex. God has put me face to face with straights and
gays concerning sexual behaviors and attitudes. I have watch many people grow
through many things. I have learn most of our sexual problems is Church
generated. Very few in the Church as ministers care much about letting God shape
his babies. The Church has a set of rules which they think is Bible based
forgetting the letter killest they teach the letter. I am generalizing here due
to time and space. I know as I read you mean well because what information do
you have to go on except the 700 year old Church anti-gay doctrine. There are
tons of information available to you, but no doubt forgive my assuming that is
biased towards gays. Which is the most stupid belief one can have. Straights
(not all) are biased against gays from the get go. While gays are different.
They come to God. Hey, saved, just like you. They love God and Jesus Christ too
and no less that you. Why do you think when they study and search the Word they
look for how they might justify their life? They came to truth "Jesus Christ"
whom they seek with all of their hearts and everything. They see how the Church
condemns them and must seek out the truth on this matter because there is a
fact, they are gay. And so great study is undertaking and consistently and
independently they find gay is not sin. This also happens with parents of gays
they are told by pastor Johnny going to hell unless he becomes straight. So
these straight parents begin their own study and what do they find, gay is not
sin. Concerning ex-gay ministries. I have really looked into this many times and
studied the research of those that have spent decades in follow-up research on
those that claim to be ex-gays. I personally talked to several ex-gay leaders
and ex-ex-gay leaders. I have the testimony of the founders of Exodus
International which most ex-gay ministries list them selves with. I knew
personally a AOG woman who devoted 25 years of her life to the gay issues and
has written several books concerning the Bible on gays and one of the book is on
ex-gays as she worked in San Francisco ex-gay ministry and left it for a year
because she saw it wasn't right what was being done to these people and saw such
outright lies trying to prove gay sin and get people delivered . She knew 100 of
its clients. After that year she return to find every one of those she knew were
gone. She found everyone of them and saw that none stayed straight and most were
the better Christians for it. I can go into lots of details especially
concerning AOG's supported L.I.F.E. ex-gay ministry which was the one that
visited Queen Anne AOG mention earlier. I have not talked much concerning my
person WALK with Jesus. I guarantee you if you truly feel that you are a
Christian I will pass any WALK test that can not be undone. It would take a very
long time to run out of things that are so neat. He has taken me to lowest
valleys and the highest mountains and never took his presence away from me. He
has kept me with a peace that passeth understanding. I have been as you say
bashed so many times, daily on the internet, life has been threaten by the Aryan
nation, been told I know to much about the Last Days and will be killed and yet
I have peace and can turn around and love my lover with peace I carry full
forgiveness to all that have as you say bashed me and I can demonstrate it in
confidence. I am willing to lay my life down for you and most likely will. Jesus
is my everything the only one with the Words of that give life. I love him and
very close to him, he is so precious to me, so sweet, so tender, so patient. He
also place a picture in front of my face which I am to tell the Church. It never
leaves my sight. The Church for the most part is far from ready to meet the Lord
and Jesus is about to sew out the wedding gowns for God's people.
This will not
be a pleasant thing for the Church it has grown fat and parties way to much so
much exercise is needed so it will fit, sorry no fat Christians in heaven (not
fat as in pounds). 3.5 billion people will die b4 the rapture (AOG thinks none
of these 3.5 billion will die b4 they are taken up) The Trib's 1st 1260 days are
designed to get the wedding gowns on the bride. It is so simple, yet AOG and
most try so hard to miss the whole point of the Trib. Even the Last 1/2 is for
the Church that did not make it that 75 day window for the Rapture. satan's gang
is taken care of in one day of the TRIB. The rest is designed to prepare the
Church for eternity. The Church will be so shocked that so many will think Jesus
lied in the Bible and so turn from him. You may think I am crazy that is ok,
remember I have gone to so many AOG prophesy meetings for a 10 years without
missing any that came around. I was very pre-Trib till God opened up a Chapter
that He gave me almost at the beginning of my walk with him. Finally it flooded
open in 1985 in June. And more info and facts and Bible and all began coming
together and still is. Anti-Christ's kingdom was in the planning stages by man
since the FLOOD. One group traces their beginnings to the FLOOD and has as
detailed history which nearly took over the world a number of times. recently
George Washington stopped them forcing them to start over. They never stop they
just regroup.
TODAY it won't be stopped they learned their lessons to well in
history and has got it down. They are very entrenched in the Church one resource
says in the Southern Baptist there are 4 -5 hundred thousand of which many are
at the very high levels which means they are direct instruments of one of their
goals to infiltrate the Church and ever so slightly modify its doctrines and
teaching especially in Sunday schools. Well, fact, they have been doing this for
80 years in the USA. They will have succeeded considerably to radically confuse
many in the Church come that DAY. If you doubt what I am say please do some
research. The group is know as Masons. They have used many names, but never
stopped being Masons. One of its power arms is called the Counsel on Foreign
Relations. Many of the big names in the new media are members and across the
board of influential organizations. Europe is where most of its roots are. Their
goal is to have a re-birth of the Days of Noah. They also believe those day
where the days of Atlantis and that for many hundreds of years had written plans
that would have that re-birth in the new world America. Sir Francis Bacon wrote
such a plan. Tell me have you heard AOG research into details of anti-Christ's
coming kingdom? You see it can not ever be a new thing that happened to develop
in our life time. Jesus didn't develop the Bible to be for one generation but
shows the entire history of mankind and so satan's will also have a detailed
history that is extremely detailed. All these loony tunes groups new age, gurus
and secret societies and secret gov't are not fragmented not related groups that
some how satan manipulates to join together at the last days. No way, it is by
distinct applications of man through the secret society of Masons. The 1st 3
degree appear very Christian in the USA but the 2 divisions of Mason are
worshipping Lucifer as never fallen and satanism. York rites is Luciferism and
Scottish right is satanism. They have a very detailed history relating to this.
Recently they united at the highest levels.
One example of the highest publicly
known level is 33rd degree mason one of which is Jack Kemp, this level actually
know most the details of the coming one world Gov't. Clinton was recently
promoted to Builderbergs. He is already a member of Tri-Latteral Commission and
CFR, George Bush (daddy) is one of the long term Builderberg leaders. David Rockefeller
is at the TOP as Chairman. These people who will bring the world to one world
gov't , which by the way some 200 world leader have met with a Lord Maitreya and
the 10 regional heads and Vatican representatives and many Protestant leaders to
discuss how they can make public Lord Maitreya as world leader. Technology is
going to be used to make him seem very much like GOD. Their time plan not mine
is if they can't succeed this time by 2012 then they will gather together in
underground bases then destroy life on the surface. There most hate enemy is the
really true believers, atheists, and Torah Jews. They intend to kill them if
they can not be converted to their way. This is not from the Bible, but from
history and present day facts. It just goes along with the Bible because the
Bible tell Christians what is going to happen, but most Christian don't believe
GOD. Why is their a Lev. 26. I tell you we are in the 4th level of that chapter.
The story about the 2 witnesses is detailed within the Bible a hidden story
within the verses describing the lives of each of them. Almost a book within a
book, and why not they are intimately described in Zech. They are alive a
waiting their ministry. They are not Moses or Elijah though these 2 are symbolic
ministries of the 2 witnesses.
The 1s acts of the 2 is to stop the rain, this is
Spiritual rain. Today all Christian are watered with the Holy Spirit. Never in
the last 2000 years has Christians gone without outside watering. You would tell
me you have deep roots in Jesus. You should have that is one reason for the Holy
Spirit to help us sink our roots deep into Jesus for the coming drought. Well
here is a secret. deep and shallow has know real feeling of difference
physically or mentally or Spiritually. For the Holy Spirit does not speak of
himself but of Jesus. Christian are to get ready for the DAY that the water will
be shut off. Dan 1260 days for breaking the power of God's people. You need to
have your roots deep into Jesus to survive those days. So when they come, not
only does the Masons have a plan to confuse the elect there will be no water and
this will shock many. We are told to believe Jesus. He said through the apostles
and himself and the OT any every where to persevere, to hold fast, to standfast.
Why, if we get saved it is a piece of cake to make it to the Rapture? No,
because a Day will come when we must believe GOD, but we don't believe him, we
think it is party time till he comes. We sing praises to his coming, but soon He
will say He is punishing you for your ancestors sins and you will say why and he
will say why do you care if I say I punish you for the past Church, your sins
are worse. Yes, the Church needs this last lesson of love while Jesus answer all
the Prayers of those persecuted by the Church over the last 2000 years. I have
given you a short introduction that leaves out much of my walk, later I will
answer you e-mail step by step take care.
Voice: 206-338-4297(gays) text: 425-321-5987 correspondence: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com