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Leviticus
Thou shalt not lie with mankind?
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Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (KJV)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:21:25 EDT updated
Saturday, December 18, 2004
Note: near the end I get into more detailed
meaning of what these two verses really means.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as
with womankind: it is abomination. (KJV)
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth
with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (KJV)
^i^ These verses are
all too commonly used to condemn gays. It really does seem like you can't get
much closer to describing two men having sex together does it? If there were
verses in the Bible that the Church would seem to have legitimacy this would
sure appear to prove their point. Rom. 1:26-27 would be the only other verse
that would also have an immediate appearance that it could be very well gays it
refers to. However, I go into detail to show you that Rom. 1:26-27 can in no way
refer to gays. All the other verses (13 verses) have no connection to meaning
gays is sin. Only the Church at some point in history taught it that way
(generally 700 years ago). Lev. 18 & 20 for me were more difficult because not
only was I a new Christian (
^i^ I began
attending MCC (
^i^ To really understand Leviticus does not condemn gays you need
this background
concerning gays. Generally it shouldn't take long to understand gays aren't the
sickos as it was and often still is assumed they are.
The American Psychiatric Association has upgraded its report often on gays
giving them a complete clean bill of mental health. Getting to know gays will
also show you they are humans just like you and those with lovers have the same
kind of family life you have and many even has children. Now you can read
Leviticus afresh.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as
with womankind: it is abomination. (KJV)
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth
with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (KJV)
Womankind, woman in following the Bible as a study on itself
and including books from the forgotten books of the Bible these two kinds of
words always is associated with a sexually immoral woman.
802 'ishshah (ish-shaw'); feminine of 376 or 582; irregular plural, nashiym (naw-sheem'); a woman
(used in the same wide sense as 582): KJV-- [adulter]
ess, each, every, female, X many, + none, one, +
together, wife, woman. Often unexpressed in English.
^i^ [adulter] ess meaning according to dictionaries (remember if you use
a modern dictionary you will get modern added meaning and may not even get the
ancient meaning at all.
a·dul·ter·ess
a·dul·ter·ess (e-dùl¹trîs, -ter-îs) noun A woman who
commits adultery.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin
Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction
and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the
a·dul·ter·y
a·dul·ter·y (e-dùl¹te-rê, -trê) noun
plural a·dul·ter·ies
Voluntary sexual intercourse
between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.
[Middle English, from Old French
adultere, from Latin adulterium, from adulter,
adulterer. See adulterate.]
^i^
I don't know about you, but I come out with this verse is most likely talking
about a kind of woman that is married, but has sex with other men. Is there more
to confirm this or does this word mean a simple wife. If it just meant woman
then at the very best it is talking about a fornicating woman right? Now much of
the condemnation of gays is they aren't legally married so every sex act is
fornication. Don't you see the irony of it? The Church builds into their
condemnation of gays with and absolute. Gays can't legally marry so therefore
are always condemn fornicating no matter what. God does not adhere to the
Church's formula and now many countries have legal gay marriages and even in the
Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (KJV)
This is a verse that can be
divided and made doctrine because it is an inclusive statement for all things
God does and man should not attempt to undue..
^i^
What does " Often unexpressed in
English" mean? Well it means that when
translating to English the kind of woman is not transferred to English. There
are many ways to describe females. Most are immoral at best in this verse.
Leviticus does not clearly tell you that it is comparing a straight marriage to
a gay marriage, so if you do not understand the word you can apply the English
rendering as you please and so change the verse meaning to your whims. However,
the entire chapter of 18 & 20 clearly is talking about immorality. Many gays are
indeed loose with their sleeping around, but the kings and queens of sexual
immorality are held by straights without question. You can not condemn all gays
for the sake of those that sleep around, just like straight is not sin for those
many that are out of bounds of wedlock. Another point without making sin less
intense, but gays are in a special circumstance. The Church forced them into
acts that seem immoral. God holds the Church accountable for not allowing gays a
life to pursue relationships like straights do. Many gays won't seek a permanent
relationship with someone because that would put them at risk of being found
out. It is not easy to move about with the one you love with out suspicion of on
lookers. How do you shop for household items which only married folk shop
together for that only goes to those that are married (can’t shop for a bed implying you’d be sleeping together on it)? In
my case in Seattle I have yet to have a problem, every sales person has always
helps us in our purchases on these kinds of item where we must talk in terms
that these our for our mutual use. Like bedroom sets, major appliances, cars,
and really about everything. So, many gays will not live together or even date
the same person regularly for fear of being found out. Gays have been finding
ways to meet their sexual needs for 700 especially difficult years. So when you
hear gays seem to have many sexual partners (since you forgot how many opposite
sex you dated around) you say how evil, while God assigns their sin to you
because it is those that condemn gays that force them to adapt to
ways to satisfy otherwise normal sexual desires and relationships. So
when 18 & 20 says man with man like man with woman there is more to it than
saying this says gay is sin. Is there more? Tons more.
^i^ What does abomination mean?
8441 tow` ebah (to-ay-baw'); or to` ebah (to-ay-baw'); feminine active
participle of 8581; properly, something disgusting (morally), i.e. (as noun) an
abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: KJV-- abominable
(custom, thing), abomination.
^i^
Is the meaning just something God or anyone just doesn't like or is the phrase "
especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol" significant?
^i^
957 in The Thompson Chain Reference Bible Eza 9:11,Ps
53:3, Mt 23:27, Ro 6:19, Ep 5:4, Ja
1:21, and Pe 2:10 are listed in reference to Lev 20:13
Ezra 9:11 Which thou hast
commanded by thy servants the prophets, saying, The land, unto which ye go to
possess it, is an unclean land with the filthiness of the people of the lands,
with their abominations, which have filled it from one end to another with their
uncleanness. (KJV)
Ps 53:3 Every one of them
is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good,
no, not one. (KJV)
Matt 23:27 Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto
whited
sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but
are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. (KJV)
Rom 6:19 I speak after
the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded
your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now
yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (KJV)
Eph 5:4 Neither
filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but
rather giving of thanks. (KJV)
James 1:21 Wherefore lay
apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness
the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. (KJV)
2 Pet 2:10 But chiefly
them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise
government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they
are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. (KJV)
So far the above can not
refer to homosexuals being an abomination as it is referring practically to all
humans, and I am sure you do not believe most of the land mass of
^i^
13 in The Thompson Chain Reference Bible De 7:25; 18:25; 25:16, Pr 6:16; 11:20;
12:22; 21:27;, 28:9, and Lu 16:15 are listed for Lev 18:22.
Deut 7:25 The graven
images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt
not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou
be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God. (KJV)
Deut 18:10-12 10 There
shall not be found among you any one that maketh his
son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth
divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a
charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12
For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of
these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. (KJV)
Deut 25:16 For all that
do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an
abomination unto the LORD thy God. (KJV)
Prov 6:16 These six things doth the LORD
hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: (KJV)
Prov 6:16-19 16 These six things doth the
LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying
tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running
to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies,
and he that soweth discord among brethren. (KJV)
Prov 11:20 They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are
upright in their way are his delight. (KJV)
Prov 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to
the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight. (KJV)
Prov 21:27 The sacrifice of the wicked is
abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a
wicked mind? (KJV)
Prov 28:9 He that
turneth
away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. (KJV)
Luke 16:15 And he said
unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among
men is abomination in the sight of God. (KJV)
All of these are acts done
to other gods in a religious ritual setting. With around 630 million gays in the
world it is not hard to get an idea for general practical purposes no gay has
sex to other gods or use their sex life as a ritual worship to other gods. Gays
are like straights. Boy meets boy, they date, they fall in love, and then they
marry. This is the same process straight do. When condemning true gays you need
Bible that describes true gay behavior not some sexual immoral act that is
common amongst straights to.
^i^
The New Jerusalem Bible list Gen 19:5b which lists Lev 18:22, 20:13, and Jg 19:22 (this Bible is a satan counterfeit see
Westcott and Hort)
Judg 19:22 Now as they were making their
hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the
house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to
the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into
thine house, that we may know him. (KJV)
SODOMITE, SODOMY
[SAHD um ite, SAHD uh me]-- one who practices sodomy;
unnatural sexual intercourse, especially that between two males. These English
words are derived from
All
the men of
(from Nelson's
Illustrated Bible Dictionary)
(Copyright (C) 1986,
Thomas Nelson Publishers)
(Word sodomy invented by
the
Most major Bible study reference on gays usually list all 13 of the verses as
covering sodomites, so you can quickly see a problem here that the sole
foundation to condemn gays is this word sodomite.
6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e.
(technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV--
sodomite, unclean.
ABOMINATION
Anything that offends the spiritual, religious, or moral sense of a person and
causes extreme disgust, hatred, or loathing. Among the objects described as an
"abomination" were the carved images of pagan gods <Deut. 7:25-26>, the
sacrifice to God of inferior blemished animals <Deut. 17:1>, the practice of
idolatry <Deut. 17:2-5>, and the fashioning of a "carved or molded image" of a
false god <Deut. 27:15; Is. 44:19>.
Other abominations were sexual transgressions <Leviticus 18>, the adoption of
the dress of the opposite sex <Deut. 22:5>, and the practice of magic,
witchcraft, and "spiritism" <Deut. 18:9-12>. Most of
the Hebrew words translated "abomination" have the meaning of "impure,"
"filthy," and "unclean"-- that which is foul-smelling and objectionable to a
holy God.
(from Nelson's
Illustrated Bible Dictionary)
(Copyright (C) 1986,
Thomas Nelson Publishers)
The above again sort of admits that other gods is a must mainstay to
abomination, but then it detours off
to modern conception Vatican influenced that this is a everyday human word for
hated thing, so then if you hate it then God must hate it to and or if God hates
it you should hate it to so you can wish what God hates so you can have his
agreement to your hate. When you do a listing of every use of this word in the
entire Bible you get quite a few maybe 50 plus, only one form of the word really
can mean something disgusting, but even this word is used to describe eating
food consecrated to idols.
^i^
To the left is a quick reference to the word "sodomy" from my Bible
program’s topics selection. As you can see Lev 18:22 and 20:13 are included.
Just about any combination of searches relating to these general verses used to
condemn gays always comes up with this list. This means you have much more
information to study concerning at least what the Church thinks Lev 18:22 and
20:13 mean. If these verses really meant gay is sin then its corresponding
verses would also mean the same. Since most of these verses mean.
6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe');
from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by
prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
^i^ It should be easy to figure that just maybe the Church
does not know what it is talking about concerning Lev. These verses do not
describe a loving caring relationship of either a straight married couple of a
gay couple that are lovers. The best concrete information we can arrive at is
both parties are acting immorally. But we have plenty of Bible left in Lev to
determine if it is talking about gays here.
^i^ One note: It is funny how often homophobic
Christians compare gays with having sex with animals, even the grouping to the
left Exod 22:19 and Lev 20:15-16 strangely comes up.
In
Once again I want to remind
you nearly all studies done by those that think gay is sin and have integrated
them into Bible study software or any presentation will result in the same set
of verses. Maybe one less or more and some really wild ones such as sex with
animals as above uses. Otherwise really good study programs on most all other
topics really do very well at presenting source material and correctly relating
info to their topics.
^i^
Why is it important to review so much concerning these verses? You see you can't
just use the Bible to your own whims. The Bible is researchable and each part
can be confirmed on itself, besides all the material in real life. Since the
Bible is the REAL WORD OF GOD then it can be compared with real life
world. The Bible is not myths or legends, but something very real. You can't say
because today's world is mainly secular so that you can say ordinary secular
behavior we see today compares to specific Bible events. Yes, they indeed do, in
ways, but you need to get to the real descriptions of real people and not place
people in your pet verse. You can't view the 630 million gays and say they are
the Lev 18 & 20 men that laid with men. Leviticus is very religious and both
Lev 18:3 After the doings of the
Lev 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane
the name of thy God: I am the LORD. (KJV) (this same
Moloch it the same god George W. Bush and father worships when they go to the
annual Bohemian Club gathering)
Lev 18:27-30 27 For all
these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the
land is defiled;) 28 That the land spue not you out
also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations
that were before you. 29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations,
even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30
Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these
abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not
yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God. (KJV)
Lev 20:2-5 2 Again, thou
shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be
of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech;
he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with
stones. 3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from
among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto
Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the
people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he
giveth
of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: 5 Then I
will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off,
and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people. (KJV)
Lev 20:22-24 22 Ye shall
therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the
land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you
not out. 23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out
before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
24 But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it
unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk
and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.
(KJV)
4432 Molek (mo'-lek); from 4427; Molek (i.e. king), the chief deity of the Ammonites: KJV-- Molech. Compare 4445.
MOLECH
-Also called MOLOCH and
MILCOM
-An idol of the Ammonites
-Worshiped by the wives of Solomon, and by Solomon -Children sacrificed to
-See (Outline from Nave's
Topical Bible)
Moloch, in the Old Testament, deity at one
period associated with Baal, probably as a sun god, but differing from him in
being almost entirely malevolent. The worship of Moloch embraced human
sacrifice, ordeals by fire, and self-mutilation. The Hebrew form of the word is
invariably Molech, meaning "king" or
"counselor." The first recorded instance of a worshiper of Jehovah who "burned
his son as an offering" (that is, to Moloch) is that of Ahaz
(see 2 Kings 16:3). The same story is told of Manasseh, eponymous ancestor of
one of the 12 tribes of ancient
Gehenna (Greek Geenna;
Hebrew Ge Hinnom),
Valley of Hinnom, near Jerusalem, where Solomon, king
of Israel, built "a high place," or place of worship, for the gods Chemosh and Moloch, according to 1 Kings 11:7. Because some
of the Israelites are supposed to have sacrificed their children to Moloch there
(see 2 Kings 23:10), the valley came to be regarded as a place of abomination.
In a later period it was made a refuse dump, and perpetual fires were maintained
there to prevent pestilence. Thus, in the New Testament, Gehenna became synonymous with hell.
Molech m1/2´lµk or Moloch m1/2´l1/4k,
Canaanite god of fire to whom children were offered in sacrifice. He is also
known as an Assyrian god. His worship was contrary to Hebrew law, and the
prophets strongly condemned it.
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This part of
Leviticus was written around the 6th century BC most likely while in the
Captivity according to many scholars.
Zoroaster
(circa 630-550 BC), Persian religious prophet, who founded Zoroastrianism.
Zoroaster (known in ancient Persian as Zarathustra)
was born in the eastern Persian
Contributed by: Martin
Schwartz
Zoroastrianism,
religion founded in ancient
CAPTIVITY 6th
century
Pharaoh Necho of
(from Nelson's Illustrated
Bible Dictionary) (Copyright (C) 1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
^i^
Lev. 20:13 gives a death penalty which could not ever be enforced and during the
Captivity. Zoroastrianism was predominant of their captors and in sacred
scripture known as the Avesta (Zor's bible) it reads just about word for word what the
scribes wrote in Leviticus. Chapters 17-26 are what many scholars ascribe were
penned by the scribes. So what have you learned? First
Matt 19:12 "For there are
some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some
eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made
themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive
it, let him receive it". (KJV)
^i^ Nothing
evil here. I plan to do a more comprehensive comment on this subject later. Some
scholars say these Leviticus verses were Levite moral codes telling Levites if
they are gay they must abstain from sex. This was the first explanation that I
found trying to show a conditional meaning here. This just could not be so. I
don't care who you are gay or straight or what degree of expertise you may have
if you hold this conclusion you are just plain wrong. Never ever at any time has
God set rules up that a class of people be denied sexual fulfillment for a
lifetime or a duty period. It is well known no straight Levite had to ever
abstain from his wife indefinitely because he is a Levite. Nor has any gay
Levite under any similar duty that a straight Levite was obligated by
Levitical code had to abstain sexual relations. If a straight Levite
could have his wife so can a gay Levite have his lover. It is man that forbids
appropriate sex. A pretty good verse is:
Abstain from sex in marriage
life for fasting:
1 Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the
other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to
fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your
incontinency. (KJV)
Christians deny people the
right to marry not God:
1 Tim 4:1-5 1 Now the
Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times
some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines
of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a
hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding
to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving
of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good,
and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is
sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (KJV)
^i^
The Bible tells us don't tell people they can't marry and it also says that
should you as even a married person abstain for a season of fasting and prayer
to hurry and get it over with so satan won't tempt
you. We love to judge others concerning sex and have lost sight of what is right
and what is wrong. Gays are not forbidden to marry by God only man has forbidden
them using Bible far out of context and setting as their justification all the
while saying gays are justifying their lifestyles. Try reading all of Leviticus
chapter 18 & 20 then try to compare what really is going on with gays. It is
quite a different picture than most the Church has painted. Gays are just like
straights. Immorally and morally they behave the same. Only difference is
straights far out race gays towards sexual immorality. One last thing before I
finish. I was just checking out a thesaurus from Office 97' on a search on
"eunuch" and got this result:
eunuch
homosexual, homo (derog), fag (derog), gay, queer (derog), transvestite, androgyny, nonconformist, transsexual,
eunuch, castrato
The Original Roget's Thesaurus of English Words and Phrases (Americanized Version) is licensed
from Longman Group UK Limited. Copyright © 1994 by Longman Group UK Limited. All
rights reserved.
Well above was updated from 1997. I have come
to gain more information on:
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as
with womankind: it is abomination. (KJV)
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth
with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (KJV)
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