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Pentecostal gays weekly prayer and worship service
Phone: 206-338-4297 (GAYS)
gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Location:
In West Seattle
probably Westwood area
Day: Probably Mondays evenings
A little background first:
Are you gay and Pentecostal and live in the West Seattle area? For years I have hoped an outreach to gay Pentecostals locally would be available to meet for worship, prayer, and Bible study. I have spent about 8 years in Seattle's MCC. At one point they were about to hire a Pentecostal pastors from LA area to be on the pastoral staff. The treasurer said the church would have to exceed offerings goals for the next 3 months to hire this person. My hope was high and we met often with him and his vision for his part in MCC seemed to be answered prayer for us Pentecostals that were meeting with him. The time came and went with offerings exceeding goals significantly, but not a peep about hiring that person ever came up. The treasurer (farthest you can get from a Pentecostal) nipped it in the bud. Not long after the Pastor left , I thought she was a very good pastor. The pastor that took over had a background that for sure would not give hope to us Pentecostals. I also left. However choices in a place to worship weren't good. I could go to various Assemblies of God which I did trying to find one to call home. Since I was on TV every week going to a str8 church meant harassment from the pastors. Got lots of stories about that. Other gay churches or groups were not Pentecostal and too far away anyway. I found one home Bible study group led by a Pentecostal woman and her lover. It was wonderful and growing. Her house was getting packed out each week. She though did not have a committed call to lead such a group and her job and other issues led her to stop and sop that group vanished too.
I led a guy to Christ at a dance bar, his dad held a Pastor's home Bible prayer and worship Bible study at his house. Because even though I was gay and so was his son his dad invited me to join their group. They never even mentioned anything about me being gay and treated me as one of them. It was a great time of fellowship for a year. It was wonderful being part of a pastors' insider group where they gathered so they could learn and become better pastors in their Pentecostal churches. Well his son finally got a job in Alaska and being a long drive I finally stopped going still feeling the need to find what God wanted me to do.
I occasionally went to church with always the same feeling that someone would recognize me and so just going to worship would turn into something related to my TV programs. Assemblies of God churches just were not a place gays could ever get comfortable and I also felt I need to find a place I could be myself. God has given me a message about many things and I was powerless to become involved in any str8 church because of their doctrine against gays.
I believe gays that are Pentecostal are no different than str8s that are Pentecostal. Always the ones that just want to bathe in the Glory of Pentecostal style service and praising God and see God move in the ways Pentecostals are accustomed to. The there are those Pentecostals that are so on fire for the Lord that they seek to find how to serve the Lord. Sometimes huge breakthroughs happen and we have a major move of God that can change the whole of Christianity. Most of us Pentecostals know about Azusa street move of God. TBN basically is the result of one Pentecostal Pastor (not meaning I support what TBN has become). Pentecostals can be the best and the worst of Christianity. Confusion of what spirit they are moving in often presents hypocrisy and worse. It is our spirit, God Spirit, or the devil's? operating in the spirit often feels the same what ever spirit is operating so studying is important that you can discern which is in operation.
What I see with 1967 with DIGNITY (Catholic) then 1968 MCC's (Protestant) start, then the secular start in 1969 (Stonewall) God grafted gays back into the Body of Christ. 700 years ago the CHURCH amputated gays from the Body of Christ. Secular gays began equal rights we enjoy today now making Washington state the first state that by ballot voted same as marriage for gays. Catholic and Protestant gays did the homework in the Bible and history to show gay is not sin. Pentecostals stayed primarily in the Closet mostly not by choice but because Pentecostals are a minority in the greater Christian gay community. Not unlike str8 Christian Pentecostals it takes a the right timing or push from God to get something to happen. I am sure many of us Pentecostals are on fire and would love to serve God as Pentecostals. For me I had to do something so when I find a way I use it, most ways lead no where but God is at the center and when it is time nothing can stop the move of God. I found Christian chat rooms before 1985 even before internet so BBS systems were the thing I was in Christian BBSes making waves. No other gays let alone gay Christians were in the Christian chat rooms back then. Years went by before other Christian gays began openly speaking in the rooms. I went in with my screen name gays4jesus and instantly it became my room because all the Christians attacked me so I had freedom to speak on the Bible concerning gay issues every day in these rooms for decades. I am just one person, but I became the central figure in Christians chat rooms as soon as I popped in them. Sometime when I enter the rooms they are already talking about me or the gay issues. To me that is a miracle and i am a nobody yet God used me to create decades of talk about gays and the Bible by Christians.
Pentecostal group. I believe there are 2 major kinds of Pentecostals or at least I will just call it two kinds. One kind is mainline. This is meaning to me the well established and growing Pentecostal churches. Assemblies of God is most recognized then the Four Square church. Then there are m any that have broken away form these mainline but retain the general doctrines and beliefs with adjustments to the areas that made them split off. In these what I call offshoots could be start up churches that still are mainstream oriented but is just that little church on the corner that loves the Lord. These are what I call mainline established Pentecostal churches (some use the term charismatic which I don't like because satan can be quite charismatic and it is a secularly based word to fit any person that attract others by their demeanor). The other Pentecostal group is the one I call cultic or "off the wall" because they base their main position on a righteousness based doctrine. Probably right to some degree. But they often say all other churches are going to hell, or you have to join their church to be saved. The are miss leading in talking with other Christians and often won't tell you what church they go to. The are holiness churches sounds good but they in fact are marginal Jim Jones, Waco or guru oriented. They are not growing or well established in the Church world. In this group you have the Apocalyptic Pentecostal churches too. I break this down because it is FACT and some like the strict oriented Pentecostal while the mainstream (in this case the good guys) are more accepting and casual and Christian generally keep their own minds. One groups you can talk to the other you can't to make it short.
We can make a difference.
LET'S MEET IN WEST SEATTLE
If you are gay and Pentecostal (or would like to be Pentecostal) and generally believe in Statement of Faith and expect miracles to happen contact me and lets start a West Seattle gay Pentecostal praise and worship group. This is not a dating club and never will be, church is church people do meet in church so that's your department.
My beliefs beyond my Statement of Faith that we would cover is on the soon return of Jesus and about those conditions will will be soon living in as the world prepares to enter into the Last Days. I also believe Christians do not get a free ticket home and miss the tribulation period. I believe the Bible goes into lots of details about Christians needing a shaking to cover the prayers of the innocent ones persecuted by the Church for the past 2000 years. This will take 1260 days in the TRIB before the Rapture can happen. Of course the 14 verses (some say 16) that are used to condemn gays will be covered as those question arise.
My wildest dreams (vision) is the forerunner of what sort of ministries we could expect to see soon is Brant Baker's and Lonnie Frisbee's ministries in the late 70s and early 80s. Brant Baker http://twitter.com/brant_baker and video clips of his preaching. Frisbee was the first to be called a "Jesus Freak" he was noted one year in Vineyard Church for the whole year sum up of most important for year was "come Holy Spirit" Both these two made significant changes in how Pentecostals worship. Brant had a special style of worship that to day is the standard Benny Hinn actually stole Brant's style when Paul Crouch asked Benny to fill Brant's shoes. Both were gay and when they were found out to have aids they both were erased from the Christian record. God used both of them mighty and the more you learn about them you will see this. I went to several of Brant's Healing rallies in those days.
Today the Church cannot have that sort of control to boot gays when discovered and we have come a long way since then. Brant had really know way to get much support once banned from TBN and that ended his ministry. From when I accepted Jesus and seen my first healing services and move of God through Baptism in the Holy Spirit I have looked for the Day God promised to move openly with gay Christians in this same fashion. Today people (anyone) are hungry for God and orientation is n o longer and barrier for gay Pentecostals. Our intercessory prayers in the spirit have been heard. It is our turn at bat.
The Pentecostal gay churches across the land are playing church, I praise God for them, but they seem to be just another church on another street corner. Lets wake up and act on our Pentecostal faith. If you are on fire for the Lord we can make a difference. Recently I discovered how FaceBook can be effective. Example Perry Stone's Manna-Fest TV ministry has a FaceBook site. I joined it and said "HI, happy thanks-giving" for a few day I got the owner of that site someone on the upper staff of Perry's ministry to write back to me every day. It stopped because I have not replied to his last message back to me. Every well known ministry has FaceBook its seems. Internet tools like FaceBook gives us access to those unreachable Christian leader like never before.
You can do it by yourself or you can meet with others to join in prayer and worship and fellowship toss around your visions from God and see if we can apply something to make it happen. We ask God for something in Jesus name, God hands it to us, but we must reach out to his hand and take it. I think we all to often think God has to grab our hand open it and stuff his answer into it.
The world is a big place we live in a tiny spot on Earth. We can meet together and see what happens. Brant after having quite a life still very young started meeting with a few people. Because God was with him it did not take long till more joined and then they needed a bigger place to meet and the healing rallies begun. Kathrin Cullman died and some miracle he got the huge choir. That choir would go out into the people and heal many and give word to them. It was cool to say the least. I am not raising Brant up except as an example of a gay Pentecostal (not out of the closet by any means in those days publically) but God used him. I see one day a gay Pentecostal filling a Mariner stadium with a healing rally.
But even if West Seattle's gay Pentecostals only meet to praise and worship God and fellowship learning more about Jesus and doing what we can that is blessing in itself. Since I preach on TV every week your idea can and would effect that tremendously I am sure.
Technical support
Being a TV preacher is a lot of work. Shooting, editing, and maintaining all my web sites takes a lot of time. I also work full time. So if all you want to do is help some how I would like to talk to you. Most contacts from my TV ministry are homophobes and they can be quite hateful. So even a good word is a lot of help to me. The TV station for most the time does not allow asking for support dollar wise and again it appears most contacts are would rather see me off the air that support. I don't much believe is asking for $$ I just get what I need from my own pocket. That limits what I can do. Even so there is at least one person in every country of the world that has seen a program of mine. I have a worldwide online ministry and many pastors have invited me to go to their church to preach around the world. They can't afford to send me and I can't afford to be taking off work paying my way so I always wonder what would happen if I go. I have had about 50 pastors tell me they can gather 10,000 people to hear me preach. Some of those pastors have many pastors praying I go to them. Some have been in contact for 10 years.
Can you help? Even $1 makes a deference as it says you are out there. Clicking the PayPal will take you to a place to enter your $1 or as much as you like. PayPal is secure. You do not have to join it even though clicking the link will have that opportunity, it would be free anyway if you wanted to use PayPal yourself.
Some things I need: a monthly high speed Internet connection. I am using 56k dial up that is free. I can only have high speed a few months at a time during the year.
Someone to manage my internet sites and improve them.
Someone that knows about getting meetings arranged, this does not mean I got money to give to that endeavor just getting it started and funded issue is starting point.
Someone = volunteer
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