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The Foundation against gays
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sodomite.. (KJV)
Old Testament (5 verses use sodomite)
Deut 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of
IKing 14:24 And
there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the
abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of
All have the same Hebrew meaning 6945
6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe');
from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by
prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
6948 qedeshah (ked-ay-shaw');
feminine of 6945; a female devotee (i.e. prostitute): KJV-- harlot, whore. (this line is for “whore” Deut. 23:17 only)
6942 qadash (kaw-dash'); a
primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean
(ceremonially or morally):
KJV-- appoint, bid, consecrate,
dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er,
place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied
oneself,), X wholly. 6943 Qedesh (keh'-desh);
from 6942; a sanctum; Kedesh, the name of four places
in
New Testament
1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the
unrighteous shall not inherit the
1 COR 6:9
Effeminate:
3120 malakos
(mal-ak-os');of uncertain
affinity; soft, i.e. fine clothing); figuratively, a catamite: KJV-- effeminate,
soft.
Sodomite:
733 arsenokoites
(ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite:
KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.
730 arrhen (ar'-hrane); or arsen (ar'-sane); probably from
142; male (as stronger for lifting): KJV-- male, man.
2845 koite (koy'-tay); from
2749; a couch; by extension cohabitation; by implication, the male sperm: KJV--
bed, chambering, X conceive.
2749 keimai (ki'-mahee);
middle voice of a primary verb; to lie outstretched (literally or figuratively):
KJV-- be (appointed, laid up, made, set), lay, lie. Compare 5087.
5087
tithemi (tith'-ay-mee);
a prolonged form of a primary theo (theh'-o) (which is used only as alternate in certain
tenses); to place (in the widest application, literally and figuratively;
properly, in a passive or horizontal posture, and thus different from 2476,
which properly denotes an upright and active position, while 2749 is properly
reflexive and utterly prostrate): KJV-- + advise, appoint, bow, commit,
conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put,
set (forth), settle, sink down.
2476
histemi (his'-tay-mee);
a prolonged form of a primary stao (stah'-o) (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain
tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications
(literally or figuratively): KJV-- abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant,
establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still,
up). Compare 5087.
142
airo (ah'-ee-ro); a
primary root; to lift up; by implication, to take up or away; figuratively, to
raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind), specially, to sail away (i.e.
weigh anchor); by Hebraism [compare 5375] to expiate sin: KJV-- away with, bear
(up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
5375 Philippoi (fil'-ip-poy);
plural of 5376; Philippi, a place in
Catamite means expensive call boy,
sodomite means male temple prostitute. You don not say gay is sin by using a
verse that is talking about two kinds of prostitutes. When you go back to Paul’s
day you will find 9 Greek words for homosexual. Paul could have flat out said
gays, because in his day there were words that would work describing real gays.
Also in Paul’s day the phrase “born eunuch” meant a true gay person. This can be
proven beyond doubt with research in Paul’s day setting very tight perimeters.
The male has to be born fully equipped and all organs intact. These organs would
have to function normally and at puberty be able to produce sperm that can make
a female pregnant. As an adult this man would be able to have sex with a woman
and produce babies if he had sex with a woman. This is an absolute criteria along with
the man did not like women for sex, but instead liked men. Hope this link is
still good
Eunuchs
This person has quite the credentials and you would
hardly find any Christians that think gay is sin reaching Eunuchs. Personally I
need FACTs before I dare speak out on such vague
possibilities. Before I found material about ancient born eunuchs I only heard
wild statement from gay Christians. Surprisingly a lot of gays just seem to know
eunuchs means gays somehow (disregarding the common meaning of missing parts). I
just said to those that tell me this, oh ok, but thought it is not very strong
backing, but if God told them then hey it could be true, so I never pursued if
because I never heard God’s voice telling me this. But then while online one day
someone popped up on me to chat. He told me he had done quite some research on
this subject. He expert all his fluent language of the Bible days and gave me
his link. Convinced me completely. But even so there are Greek words for
homosexual and I hope to get the reference here soon.
Paul is not an idiot. Some people
think he just did not know gays existed or any words to express them. Sort of
funny seeing how history tells us there were many of
Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your
devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom
therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto
you. (KJV)
Now 1 Cor
6:9 has been taught many ways over the last 2000 years. One way was it was incest or pedophile
sodomite being the man and catamite being the boy. In King James it was weak and
spineless men. Up to the 1850s it was masturbators won’t inherit. At a clergy
convention it was decided all humans do this and so Heaven would be empty so
they should change how this verse is taught. They decided homosexual would work
because most already considered that sin so nobody would complain or feel a
loss.
Nearly everyone in the world (and all
religions) has been conditioned to this for 700 yrs by a doctrine invented by a
few powerful Catholic leaders for evil gain" 100 yrs later it was adopted by the
Protestants, some people (powerfully influential Catholics) wanted to find a way
to get certain people out of power by creating scandal. They took the Bible and
took out about 11 verses that had something to do with male to male sex. "Gang
rape" "male temple prostitutes" "fertility sex orgies" and made this their
doctrine, teaching instead these are gay people. Over 700 yrs the world uses
their doctrine. 2 more verses were added in 1850 making it 13 verses. Some other
verses are used often, but they do not talk about male to male sex, but used to
enhance the evil of any sin.
Fornicator:
4205 pornos (por'-nos); from
pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male)
prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): KJV--
fornicator, whoremonger.
4097 piprasko (pip-ras'-ko); a
reduplicated and prolonged form of prao (prah'-o); (which occurs only as an alternate in certain
tenses); contracted from perao (to traverse; from the
base of 4008); to traffic (by travelling), i.e.
dispose of as merchandise or into slavery (literally or figuratively): KJV--
sell.
1 TIM 1:101 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there
be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (KJV)
4205 pornos (por'-nos); from
pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male)
prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): KJV--
fornicator, whoremonger.
4097 piprasko (pip-ras'-ko); a
reduplicated and prolonged form of prao (prah'-o); (which occurs only as an alternate in certain
tenses); contracted from perao (to traverse; from the
base of 4008); to traffic (by travelling), i.e.
dispose of as merchandise or into slavery (literally or figuratively): KJV--
sell.
4008 peran (per'-an); apparently accusative case of an
obsolete derivative of peiro (to "pierce"); through
(as adverb or preposition), i.e. across: KJV-- beyond, farther (other) side,
over.
Above are listed the meanings for fornicator and fornication. In 4505 you can see “a (male) prostitute’. This is what you have to work with when you use fornicator and fornication in the verses used to condemn gays to say you are not married so you commit fornication. This male prostitute does not have the GREEK aid to distinguish orientation. In Paul’s day both straight and gay prostitutes existed though straight male prostitutes were more common. Not much call for gay prostitutes (except in fertility temples). A catamite is an expensive prostitute. This kind of prostitute can not be found on the streets selling his wares. In Paul’s day a common practice amongst the very wealthy men as a custom cultural thing was to be seen with a young lover (the young age varies to taste and acceptance). This catamite is very very expensive and special arrangements to conduct the business transaction for the service had to be made. The wealthy man can be seen around and about with this young male as though he was his lover or escort. So a catamite is a known fact in the historical records,(In Corinth). Of course sodomite is a well know historical FACT. Fertility temples every where had them. Some ancient temples are intact today. You can see on every square inch of the inside and outside wall a carved graven image of every manner conceivable of sex acts. Orgy sex was a big deal in these temples.
Hebrew men would often go to sodomites desiring to get blessings through ritual sexual acts. On the way to Canaan God warned these Hebrew men do not go to the male temple prostitutes (the famous Leviticus chapters tell this story).
So the fundlemental foundation of anti-gay doctrine
is based on sodomites. Then a word was invented more recently “sodomy” then word
has become infamously used to describe gay sex. Originally the
Jude 1:7
1608 ekporneuo (ek-porn-yoo'-o);
from 1537 and 4203; to be utterly unchaste: KJV-- giveself
over to fornication.
1537
ek (ek) or ex (ex); a
primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion
proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or
remote): KJV-- after, among, X are, at, betwixt (-yond), by (the means of),
exceedingly, (+abundantly above), for (-th), from
(among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very
highly, in, ...ly, (because, by reason) of, off
(from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X
vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the
same general import; often of completion.
4203 porneuo (porn-yoo'-o);
from 4204; to act the harlot, i.e. (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either
sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry: KJV--
commit (fornication).
Sometimes Jude is used because fornication has nearly become synonymous with gay sex and this just is not so. Also, Jude mentions Sodom and Gomorrah and so the assumption those cities were destroyed because of gays makes Jude an anti-gay verse. . .
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