I guess it's okay for you all to trim the Word of God to fit your own agenda. It's okay to dismiss Romans   -  Chapter 1. 

7:42 (5) Romans 26-27 "burning in Lust" 14 Verses seven part mini Series April 25, 2009 8:06 PM

03-27-11"The Temple of Aphrodite" Episode: 1260 Length: 28 min.

  "Gay is not sin"

Comments in reply to Will and Amy's

"I guess it's okay for you all to trim the Word of God to fit your own"

 On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:27:32 -0700 "Will and Amy " <wathomas@ writes:

 I guess it's okay for you all to trim the Word of God to fit your own

agenda. It's okay to dismiss Romans Chapter 1. (Oh that's not what Paul

REALLY meant).

 ^i^ vs. 28-32 describes a behavior that the record shows gays do not commit as indicated by these verses. The record shows gays behave non-sexually very well in all walks of life and careers. So if this text means gay is sin then why can't you compare the resulting non-sexual behavior of real life gays? VS. 18 - 25 describes adults that turned from GOD and made gods to worship. Very descriptive and does not compare with real life gays. So where do you find real life gays behaving 18 - 25? Because these are adults vs. 26 -27 explains that adults who totally enjoyed straight sex suddenly changed and did gay sex. How do I know this? Am I twisting the Word? How long have you studied? I have not seen one effort on your part to explain why you believe Rom. condemns gays. The Word can't be changed and can be researched. The Greek explains it? Real life facts explain it. Just because you hate it won't change the Word of God. You tell me how you manage to make Rom. condemn gays. Gays were gay before adulthood and real research shows (besides personal experience) that gays were gay long before adulthood and were born that way. Gays that have had straight sex didn't enjoy it as 26 -27 explains. Most did straight sex because they were taught gay is sin and wanted to live according to Church teaching on this issue thinking that meant its Jesus' teaching. Please explain to me the in in-depth study you did to prove Rom. condemn gays.

 And Matt. 19 talks about Eunuchs (which last time I read on ALL known dictionaries, has nothing to do with homosexuality).

 ^i^ guess you didn't read what I said.

 Matt 19:11-12

11But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (KJV)

 ^i^ I suppose you are one of the few that understands "All men cannot receive this saying" right? I suppose you studied the history on eunuchs haven't you? Come back to me on this question when you did some research on what people of the day thought of eunuchs. If Jesus said it would be tough for most to grasp hold of what he is saying on this subject then I guess we should believe him. You should question any source that gives you simple meanings so readily. What I am telling isn't so simple to learn. Another very unusual note that got me to study this issue. I kept hearing gay people here and there saying flat out God told them it includes gays. I am not one to easily accept such radical statements, but the unrelated sources persisted and they really didn't have a way of finding this out from anybody else. History is remarkable and God can bring the truth to those that seek it. You sound like you have your mind made up and so you believe you have all the truth you need.

 The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, Paul's writings in Romans, and the like make it clear what God's stance on a Homosexual relationship is.

 ^i^ So you are telling that all gays are condemned because every boy, every grandpa, and every adult male ( men in Hebrew in this text means mankind, the people) in these cities came to attempt gang rape and kill the 2 men?

 582 'enowsh (en-oshe'); from 605; properly, a mortal (and thus differing from the more dignified 120); hence, a man in general (singly or collectively):

 KJV-- another, X [blood-] thirsty, certain, chap [-man]; divers, fellow, X in the flower of their age, husband, (certain, mortal) man, people, person, servant, some (X of them), + stranger, those, + their trade. It is often unexpressed in the English versions, especially when used in apposition with another word . Compare 376.

 ^i^ But we still can assume they are all males. How did they want to treat the angels?

 7489 ra` a` (raw-ah'); a primitive root; properly, to spoil (literally, by breaking to pieces); figuratively, to make (or be) good for nothing, i.e. bad (physically, socially or morally):

 KJV-- afflict, associate selves [by mistake for 7462], break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), showself friendly [by mistake for 7462], do harm, (do) hurt, (behaveself, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still, vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse.

 ^i^ Hmmmm... Gays don't behave this way at all. History does not show gays behaving this way. Gays behave like the general way straights do and that is seeking a loving caring long term relationship. Like straights many do some common immoral sexual behaviors, but the focus is like straights get married. History does however prove as well as the present that straights are kings and queens of sexual immorality. (The above is Hebrew from Gen. 19)

  I do not profess to be perfect. By all counts, I am a miserable sinner and have no right to inherit the Kingdom of God. It is by pure grace, provided by my Lord Jesus Christ through his death and resurrection, that I can hope to find salvation.

 ^i^ Same here

 I am not writing this in hate. I am writing this in concern. I see myself, when I see your organization. You see, I also try to tailor The Bible to fit my own choices. I do not tithe like I should. I swear quite a bit at times. And at times, I am a terrible witness to the one who shed His Blood for me.

 ^i^ Funny I can't swear at all. When I may at some point been in a mind to even maybe use any such word my vocal chords are turned off. I just can't, Its just not right. I am sorry that swearing is a problem for a lot of Christians. But then I need improvement in other areas where I don't get the extra help. As for tailoring the Bible, sorry the Bible is freely available for research and study by anyone willing to take the time. I came to God for love of truth. I was a total atheist brought to God by His own hand. Nobody led me there. God told me many things while I was an atheist and later I read it nearly word for word in the Bible. One day I directed my question to God that though I did not believe in Him that if He was real then I will accept Him. What do you think happened? You may indeed tailor the Word in some areas (for a season that is fine) but I accepted God and the Bible as inseparable. I put my life at the Cross and meant it. I read everything I could get my hands on about God. Attended every service and guest teacher the Assemblies of God church I went to for 10 years. I never stopped seeking God and His truth. I am not interested in defending gays or anything for the sake that I am gay or anything else. If you had brains you could figure out no person in his right mind would stand up to the Church because the Church will attack you with everything it can do. The gay issue so condemned for 700 years what do you imagine I am doing? I bet you can't imagine this is just like God to use the despised to bring a message His people won't listen to anyway. I have not slipped or backslid in all my 23.5 year walk with Jesus. He has never left me, even at the most depressed time of my life I was able to praise the Lord even so knowing I must enter blackness and darkness for a time. Jesus warned me he was going to teach me about fear and would I accept it otherwise he would with hold the lesson. I accepted knowing that this means a traumatic time will come and it did within 2 weeks. Jesus never left me and raised me to everything he does for Saints in those situations with great speed and took me thru the time. You can image what you will, but you can't take my walk away and you can't undue what Jesus has done in my life. Yes, I am far from perfect and can say like Paul "I am chief sinner" I so wanted there to be no GOD, but was filled with Him, how can I not accept Him. I just knew it was him and it was Him.

 It is time for us, (ALL OF GOD's CHILDREN) to begin living For Christ, to set the example For Christ. We must stop living for ourselves in Christ's name. I urge you to read scripture, with open eyes, and guidance of the Holy Spirit, not with the rose colored glasses that you have used thus far.

 ^i^ I will die for you one day and its worth it. I want nothing but to serve the Lord. How many times have your read the Bible? I love God's Word and hate when I can not read it. I have read many versions. I loved the KJV in my milk days as a Christian. I like many versions and use them to compare. I like reading scholars findings on the comparisons of each version and especially like reviewing the original Hebrew and Greek. Its great to push a key and it all pops up on the monitor. It takes me about 5 seconds to insert the Bible, and any of the many add on modules for studying God's word, in this e-mail to you. I am a 23.6-year Assemblies of God man. Yes, I have learned a lot about them and that they are very wrong in places, such as the Last Days for the Church and the gay issues. But by in large they are a very good base for background. I have had the privilege as part of my secular job to attend many denominations including the Catholic Church. I did this for 5 years rotating each week to another denomination. Most Christian churches aren't that far off of each other. If a rose-colored glass helps see the beauty of God's people I'll keep wearing them. I love them so much that I will risk harm to explain what God has given me to tell them. I will jump from the frying pan into the fire when need be to present this urgent message. I will be a fool and speak to one like yourself who may never ever figure out what I am saying to you. Just maybe when the time comes and you feel like thinking Jesus lied to you, you will remember that I said such a time is coming and Jesus didn't lie and he is still at your side. You can't comprehend this and I can't give you the picture God has placed in front of my eyes to tell His people about the coming days. But I will do the best I can.

  It is true that God has made us sexual beings, but I do not think he meant for homosexual relationships.

 ^i^ How do you know He didn't make gays? Why are there 600 million gays in the world? Why are they from every conceivable walk of life and belief system and race? Why no matter how they grew up or what family situation there gay. Why is coming out as it was almost like getting born again? You can't possibly understand that can you? You would attach all sorts of things to make that evil. Gays so separated from each other with no role models in climates where only persecution comes and they think they are the only ones in the world like that one day found others like themselves. Suddenly, people just like you with same feelings. How did they all get that way? Look there they are acting very normal with each other like any group of straights getting together to visit or party or dating. I bet you could never comprehend what I am explaining. God didn't make this???????????? Why is everyone so perfectly matched? Hey, I am pretty picky. I got lots of requirements. I want the right king of personality. Boy is my list long. I don't know what you think about when you date or got in your spouse if you are married, but I hear straights can be quite picky too. Tell me as a Christian does God help you. Did your date or spouse turn out to have many of the things you want in a spouse? Well, guess what? With no effort at all when one goes to places (just like straights do) to meet a potential spouse that sure enough depending how shy or active you are there pops up someone that without interviewing them to see if they qualify actually does have many of the requirements (if you were to analyze your desires for someone) It always amazes me that gay or straight 2 people can get together with someone out of the masses that is perfect for you. I am not saying absolutely perfect, no such animal. The problems are going to be there. Divorce will happen a lot, 60% with straights. But God still brings someone that's right for you. Few get someone right the first try, many stay with the wrong person all their lives believing its Bible. Gay and straight there just is no difference. Speaking on SEX. Many that condemn gays say nature didn't make it that way. Funny, if not then why does it work so well with no complaints. Then you got the varieties of ways. Some assume gays do it one way and have to decide who does what. Straights do it so many ways as well. But to assume its wrong biologically is ridiculous. I am 50 years old. You would tell me God did not intend it this way? I have had 4 lovers. one of 10 years, 2 of 3 years, and my current one is at 7 years now. Each time God was with us and each time the rules of marriage applied and were working including separations. I came to Christ with my 1st and the unexpected competition of Jesus' love took a toll that finally ended in our relationship. Another was a Buddhist; even though at one point he said the sinner’s prayer he took a spin deeper into that faith and the relationship ultimately failed. God reminding me if unbelievers choose to go then so be it you sin not and can marry again. The next was a Catholic. Definitely unequally yoke together. It would be nice that we would not have to learn by experience. But being gay it is not exactly easy to go to the church of your choice and meet someone in your own faith. Currently this one is and unbeliever but is now in his second reading of the Bible. None other has done this before. So who knows? So after hearing I've been with 4 makes me evil? Tell me then when I talk to Straight Christian and review the reports concerning straight divorces is the story the same. Most infidelity in the Church comes after they have decided they weren't meant for each other. So that option is not there. Many are in the same faith, again slippery grounds for divorce. But still unless you have been taken to the HOLY SPIRIT School on sex and marriage, then you should not try to speak against those that appear to be living immorally sexually. God did make gays, starting in the Garden with the Hebrew word for RIB (cell from the rib in the deepest research for the word). This cell has the blueprints for all inherited straights including 10% gay. Leaving the Garden a severe climate change took place. The woman became subjugated by the man and it hurt to have babies. The ground changed it grew thorns and thistles. The shock that occurred shook the gene source to bring about many future variations in man. Scientifically we know today a lot about genes and so this increases our knowledge of God's Glory in His creation. He had made all the blueprints ahead of time and took one cell from Adams rib so that no two people would ever be alike.

 I doubt this letter will make any difference. But I will pray for you. I will not pray that God makes you straight, I will not pray that you will see the "error of your ways". I will simply pray, that the Lord makes himself real to you, and through the Word of God and guidance of the Holy Spirit (not through your own desires).

 ^i^ So you will join with 100s of thousands of people that has said the same a s you are saying in praying for me? I am not kidding, my TV program alone has generated those numbers of prays of those who believe gay is sin and think their prayers will get a hold of God to in someway open my eyes to the truth. Maybe you are more special than they? Or is it that God just won't answer hundreds of thousands of prayer agreeing to the same thing. Well I am into my 13th year on TV and now expanded to the Internet. I have gotten thousands of e-mail from Christian chat rooms wishing the same prayers. Funny I go to those rooms and suddenly its almost like my room. Not saying a word my name generates hours every night of questions and attacks on me. Please don't think no one has a positive word for me. Most of the chat room hosts have good words for me. Many people do too. There are always several each night that speak in my behalf. I get lots of e-mail from my TV program that is very positive for straight Christians. Your little hole in the ground of thinking gay is sin, isn't the picture of the whole Church in the least bit. The point is, though many pray like you what does God do, just let me die in my sins or someday change the truth to a lie. Jimmy Swaggart says gays seduce straights to repopulate, so many say gays are raping kids, facts 3% are gay and 97% are straight. It should be 10% gay and 90% straight. Gays don't seduce straights if they did they'd be beat up for a starter. Gays are not abusing children and are not gang rapist like Gen 19. Gay are not behaving Rom 1:28-32 they are in fact the care givers of the world. A recent study showed if gays were banned from the caregivers and health field those fields would collapse. Would you pray to God to remove gays from the health field? Gays are employers’ best workers. Statistics say. On and on I can go. There are 3 libraries in the USA that have over a million books on gays one has 3 million. 2 are private. There is a ton of info that your church is unwilling to allow you access to concerning gays in history let alone the present. Yes some gays do some pretty bazaar things but straight even more bazaar. So what are you trying to tell me? Because you think gay is sin and you can't even present any backup for it? You say this or that verse. 13 verses are used by the Church 7 use the word sodomite "temple prostitute" Major Christian study helps class all 13 as sodomites. How deep have you gone into researching these verses to see whom they really are talking about, if gay then history will confirm it to. It doesn't. You should include prayer for yourself on this matter. I have not talked about ex-gay ministries, which I know a lot about, mainly that it does not work. Or PFLAG that does work for straights coming out of their belief that gay is sin into understanding gay is not sin.

 In Christ

William Thomas

(I Corinthians 13)

 ^i^ The love chapter is explained in the 10 commandments. The first 4 commands explains how to love God with all you being, the last 6 commands explains how to love your neighbor as yourself. The 2 Commands of Jesus. You can boast of loving God and neighbor but if you are not doing the acts of love explained by the 10 commandments you really aren't loving at all. Ch.13 is very sweet but cannot be done by saying you love someone. It can only be done by obedience to the 10 commandments then the sweetness of Ch. 13 floods to bystanders.